2009-07-03

The Meaning of "More than Conquerors"

Most people define 'more than conqueror' as conquering completely and absolutely.  They said it was Paul emphasising the extend of conquering. But, if wel look at the verse within its context, it means much more.  More-than-Conquerors are "Transformers of lives and circumstances to glorify God even through the suffering of love" resulting in converting enemy into friend and threats into opportunities.
A few weeks ago, an invited speaker to our church preached for 2 weeks on the topic of "More Than Conquerors". I was much encouraged, but felt I did not grasp the topic fully. So I went to do more digging into the Bible and was finally satisfied with the answer I found about the real meaning of "More than Conqueror".

A respected pastor first gave me an illustration of what the meaning of "More than Conqueror" was. A boxer fought hard and won a prize in a boxing match. He went home and gave the prize to his wife. His wife was "more-than-a-conqueror" - she got all the benefits and did none of the painful work. In a way, this is a great truth of the Gospel of Salvation- Jesus suffered and died on the cross and then was resurrected for our redemption. We are unable and have done nothing to gain the inheritance of Sonship. It was freely given by Jesus. However, this illustration is not correct from the context of the verse where the phrase is found. It actually distorts the meaning in the context. Let's examine this further.

The phrase is found in Rom 8:37 .....
Romans 8:37 (KJV) Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

What are these things in v37? They are found in v35 tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword.

A keyword in v37 is "IN" and not out of it. When we are in the midst of tribulations and hardships, we are more than conquerors. We are to be IN the suffering with Christ in us.

I was at first puzzled by the reference in v36, "As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. " But it is the key verse to explain the meaning of more-than-conqueror.

More-than-conqueror should be very different from just conqueror. v36 gives us the cue to the differences. Conqueror overcomes the enemy by confrontation, by force, by elimination, by killing, and by fear to get them into submission. The victory is as lasting as the victor has the force and power.

'More-than' is entirely different in method and motivation.
  1. It is not by force but by love that draws you. It is about suffering for the enemy's sake to draw them out to be willing to choose your kingdom life & lifestyle for themselves. 
  2. Conqueror is about the benefits of the Conqueror - Me. 'More-than" is about the benefits of the others and not ourselves.
The Speaker cited Jim Elliot's story to illustrate the point. He had a gun with them. He could use the gun to kill his attackers. But he did not. The reasoning was that if he should die, he would go to heaven, whereas his attackers, without knowing the gospel yet, would go to hell. He chose to be killed (more-than-conqueror) instead of killing (Conqueror).

The final outcome, after his death, was the conversion of his attackers and their whole tribe. This is the meaning of "more-than-conqueror". It is not about overcoming the enemy but about converting the enemy to become friends by acts of suffering of love.

This is the way of the cross that Jesus has gone through before us, and Paul's motto of life in  
  • Philippians 3:10 (KJV) That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; and 
  • Col 1:24 [ALT] Now I rejoice in my sufferings on your behalf, and I am filling up [or, completing] the [things] lacking of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for His body, which is the Assembly.
In studying the whole passage of Rom 8 and related verses in the Bible, I come out with the following definitions of "More than Conquerors".
More than Conquerors are "Transformers of lives and circumstances to glorify God even through suffering of love" resulting in converting enemy into friend and threats into opportunities.
It is the attitude of
  • Rom 12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good and
  • 1Th 5:15 See that no one repays anyone evil for evil, but always seek to do good to one another and to everyone.
  • Romans 8:28 (KJV) And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are called according to his purpose. [even in adverse circumstances- added by me]
We can find many illustrations in the Bible that show forth the acts of "more than conquerors"
  • Jesus on the cross for sinners
  • Joseph forgave his brothers for the greater good of the people
  • Paul's shipwreck resulted in the salvation of the islanders
  • .....
Beyond Conqueror
In our Life Group discussion, the term "Beyond Conqueror" was suggested. Paul was not talking about more of the conqueror but an entirely different dimension of winning over the adversity of circumstances and people, transforming to convert the hearts of opposition to reception, and breaking free from the stifling circumstances to greater success beyond expectation.

Following this understanding with living it out in "Living the More-than-Conqueror's Life".

Here is John Piper's exposition on these verses, where he defines "More than conquerors" as "making your enemies to serve you for our good, as in Rom 8:28". This is similar but narrower to my definition because there is still a separation of the enemy and us.  

Updated 1 July 2025

This is DeepSeek's comments on this passage:

Based on your deep dive into Romans 8:37 and Lim Liat's insights, here's a clear synthesis of the true meaning of "more than conquerors," contrasting it with common misunderstandings:

Key Misconceptions vs. Biblical Meaning

  1. The "Boxer's Wife" Illustration (Common Misunderstanding):
    • View: We passively receive victory/benefits won for us by Christ, without participating in the struggle.
    • Truth it Captures: Salvation is entirely by grace through Christ's work (Eph. 2:8-9).
    • Why it Fails for Romans 8:37: It ignores the context of being in suffering (v. 35-36) and the active role of believers within trials. It suggests escape from hardship, not victory within it.
  2. "Complete/Utter Conquest" (Common Misunderstanding):
    • View: Simply means winning bigger, crushing the enemy absolutely.
    • Why it Fails: It doesn't explain the qualitative difference implied by "more than" or fit the context of suffering and death (v. 36).

The Biblical Meaning (From Context - Romans 8:31-39)

  • The Setting: "In all these things" (v. 37) – specifically, tribulation, distress, persecution, famine, nakedness, peril, sword (v. 35), even facing death "all the day long" like slaughtered sheep (v. 36, Ps 44:22).
  • The Conqueror's Method (Contrast): Uses force, elimination, fear, and confrontation to subdue enemies for self-benefit. Victory depends on sustained power.
  • The "More Than Conqueror's" Method:
    • Through: "Him that loved us" (Christ's love).
    • Means: Suffering love, self-sacrifice, refusing retaliation (Rom 12:21, 1 Thess 5:15).
    • Mechanism: Transforming the very circumstances of suffering and the hearts of enemies through sacrificial love and trust in God's purpose (Rom 8:28).
    • Result: Enemies become friends (reconciliation), threats become opportunities, God is glorified. Victory is eternal and transformative, not just situational.
    • Motivation: The benefit of others and the glory of God, not self-preservation or dominance.
    • Participation: Sharing in "the fellowship of his sufferings" (Phil 3:10), "filling up what is lacking in Christ's afflictions" for the sake of the Church (Col 1:24). It's active participation in Christ's victory through suffering love.

Lim Liat's Definition (Supported by Context & Examples)

"Transformers of lives and circumstances to glorify God even through the suffering of love" resulting in converting enemy into friend and threats into opportunities.

Why This Definition Fits Best

  1. Explains "More Than": It's not degree of conquest (stronger conqueror), but kind of victory (transformative, redemptive, loving).
  2. Fits the Context (v. 35-36): It specifically addresses victory while enduring suffering and death, not avoiding it.
  3. Aligns with v. 28: Explains how "all things work together for good" – through the transformative power of God working in/through those who suffer in love and trust.
  4. Exemplified in Scripture:
    • Jesus on the Cross: Ultimate victory over sin/death achieved through suffering, transforming enemies into the redeemed.
    • Joseph (Gen 50:20): Transformed betrayal and slavery into salvation for his family and Egypt. "You meant evil against me, but God meant it for good."
    • Paul's Shipwreck (Acts 27-28): Transformed disaster into an opportunity to preach and heal on Malta.
    • Jim Elliot & Martyrs: Death transformed into the catalyst for the salvation of their attackers (Auca Indians).
    • Stephen (Acts 7): His prayer for his murderers planted a seed in Saul (Paul).
  5. Contrasts with Piper: While Piper ("making your enemies serve you for our good") captures an outcome (Rom 8:28), Lim Liat's definition emphasizes the method (suffering love) and the transformative relational outcome (enemy to friend), which is richer and more aligned with the context of suffering and the cross. Piper's view could imply continued separation; the transformative view implies reconciliation.

"Beyond Conqueror" - A Helpful Nuance

The Life Group's suggestion of "Beyond Conqueror" effectively captures the essence. It's not merely winning the battle in front of you (conqueror), but transcending the entire paradigm of conflict:

  • Transforming the nature of the victory.
  • Transforming the enemy.
  • Transforming the circumstance into a platform for greater glory and good.

Conclusion

You are right to move beyond the "boxer's wife" and "utter conquest" interpretations. The context of Romans 8:35-39 demands an understanding of victory forged within the crucible of suffering, achieved through the power of Christ's love, and characterized by the miraculous transformation of enemies and circumstances for God's glory. This is the profound, counter-intuitive, and ultimately triumphant reality of being "more than conquerors" – or truly, "Beyond Conquerors." It is the victory of the Cross applied in the life of the believer. Your study has grasped the heart of Paul's message.

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9 comments:

  1. Good thoughts! Thank you.

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  2. Great analogy, the boxer comparison. I think I first heard it from Loran Livingston years and years ago.

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  3. someone was just asking me what "more than conquerors means" last week and I happened to chance it here! talk about divine intervention Zhang Lao.... :)
    Thanks much and I enjoyed reading this post....
    SHalom

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  4. What this will imply is that, whenever, there is a conflict of earning versus value, you will always naturally lean towards value.

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  5. I have heard this for yrs Im More than a conqueror and in GOD'S timing relevation is her thank you

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  6. More than conquerors - above a conqueror - If we were almost conquerors, then we would be losers. If we were just conquerors then perhaps we would boast in our own strength. But more than conquerors...that can only be of God!

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  7. Ok. I understand what you are saying but what about the cross as you had mentioned? Jesus was more than a conqueror when he defeated Satan. Yes, the cross brings the enemies of God (us as sinners) to Him so He was more than a conqueror but what about Him being more than a conqueror toward His adversary the devil?

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  8. And so the same can be said of the boxer who is portrayed as Jesus. the boxer fought his enemy and won, taking the victory to his wife. She became the more than conqueror. And the same with Jesus. He fought the battle on the cross toward His enemy and won. And He brought the victory to us (sinners, enemies of God) and we became more than conquerors the moment we accepted Him as Lord and savior. The enemy didn’t accept Him like your analogy of converting enemies to friends, making us more than conquerors.

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    1. Paul was talking about "We are more than conquerors.." relating to Human Beings only in the context.

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